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''Issue'': How to avoid or manage two negative consequences to the current proliferation of new URIs being minted for the same things. Specifically: | ''Issue'': How to avoid or manage two negative consequences to the current proliferation of new URIs being minted for the same things. Specifically: | ||
# it is hard to find when two things should be the same | # it is hard to find when two things should be the same | ||
# even if you can find the links, prolific use of owl:sameAs will create computational problems. | # even if you can find the links, prolific use of owl:sameAs will create computational problems. | ||
− | ''Source:'' This discussion is taken from a thread called [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008May/ | + | ''Source:'' This discussion is taken from a thread called [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008May/0081.html Managing Co-reference (Was: A Semantic Elephant?)] on the [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/ W3C Semantic Web Discussion List]. A vigorous discussion initially took place off the list, and then was moved to the list for the record. |
− | ''Related Discussions'': | + | ''Related Discussions'': [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008Oct/0192.html URIs and Unique IDs] |
− | ''Related Modeling Issues:'' [[Community:Overloading OWL sameAs]] | + | ''Related Modeling Issues:'' |
+ | * [[Community:Overloading OWL sameAs]] | ||
+ | * [[Community:Versioning and URIs]] | ||
''Example(s)'' | ''Example(s)'' | ||
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# Yago and DBpedia minted different URIs for the exact same Yago classes | # Yago and DBpedia minted different URIs for the exact same Yago classes | ||
+ | ''Conclusions:'' | ||
+ | # to some extent, URI proliferation is inevitable in an open web. It is probably the only way to allow people to independently publish web data. | ||
+ | # We will have to rely on a combination of manual effort and sophisticated automated methods to detect clashes, and attempt to resolve them. There is a difference of opinion of how good a job automated techniques can do. | ||
+ | # large scale duplication of URIs as in the case of YAGO and DBpedia, is unfortunate, but has now largely been rectified. That it happened at all is due to this all being very new. | ||
+ | # it was argued that it does not matter much because noone is going to load all the triples into a one triple store. A counter argument to this is that even if you load a lot of triples into one store, the problem of inefficiency of sameAs reasoning can arise. | ||
+ | # that these issues are arising at all can be seen as a good thing, insofar as it reflects that linked data is being made available and put to real use. Tim Berners-Lee notes that: "Life is, on balance, good." | ||
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+ | ==Original Post== | ||
Here is the original Post by Michael Uschold in May 2008: | Here is the original Post by Michael Uschold in May 2008: | ||
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''Chris Bizer:'' | ''Chris Bizer:'' |
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Issue: How to avoid or manage two negative consequences to the current proliferation of new URIs being minted for the same things. Specifically:
Source: This discussion is taken from a thread called Managing Co-reference (Was: A Semantic Elephant?) on the W3C Semantic Web Discussion List. A vigorous discussion initially took place off the list, and then was moved to the list for the record.
Related Discussions: URIs and Unique IDs
Related Modeling Issues:
Example(s)
Conclusions:
In May 2008, Michael Uschold kicked off a discussion with the subject "A Semantic Elephant" describing the unnecessary and costly proliferation of URIs and owl:sameAs links. This discussion evolved to be mostly about managing co-reference. Intitialy private, this discussion was moved to the W3C Semantic Web Discussion List at Tim Berners-Lee's request. See: Managing Co-reference (Was: A Semantic Elephant?).
The original discussion evolved into a discussion about owl:sameAs per se, which has been a recurring topic on various lists over the years. Aldo Gangemi provided a concise summary on May 16, 2008.
In October 2008, Uschold started a closely related discussion focused more on challenges with Versioning and URIs. It was under the subject: URIs and Unique IDs.
From all this, Uschold teased out three distinct but closely related modeling isssues that are in this ODP Wiki:
Here is the original Post by Michael Uschold in May 2008:
This message is about URI proliferation on the Semantic Web, illustrated by examples from DBpedia, YAGO and Wordnet. Consider this:
The synset IDs in the first two cases (hardwired into the URIs) are from version 3.0, but one has to poke around to discover that. There might be version problems too, but that's another elephant.There are various issues here:
Specific Questions/Recommendations to the DBpedia and Yago teams:
In summary:
In Uschold's original post to selected individuals, it was noted that a proliferation of different URIs for the same resource was occurring, and that it was causing two specific problems:
Chris Bizer:
Problem 1 is not really so bad, for there is much matching technology is out there that can be used, albeit there will be some limits on precision. Problem 2 is not a problem either because noone is going to load everything into a single store.
Frank van Harmelen
Problem 1 is very real, but is only recently becoming a problem with the recent surge of semantic web data coming on line. Frank disagrees with Chris Bizer's optimism. Also, matching at the schema/class level is handled differently than matching instance. Frank refers to some good work going on in addressing these issues, not by matching after the fact, but by elminiting the proliferation at source.
Chris Bizer:
My optimism was more about instance level identity links than at the class level. Within the LOD effort we repeatedly run into situations where it is really easy to generate owl:sameAs links based on some simple domain-dependent rules.
Kinsgley Idehan:
The URL problems are being addressed, e.g. in the UMBEL project. Wikipedia, OpenCye, WordNet and Yago Ideitifiers are being rationalized. See: http://www.umbel.org/announcement.xhtml
Fred Giasson:
There are edge cases when it is not immediately clear, even for a human, to decide what deserves a unique URI.
Jim Hendler:
"So what you are really saying is scaling is a technology/research challenge now that there's much more out there. We need to go beyond just triple stores and get some fast inferencing at Web scales. Makes sense to me."
Michael Uschold:
The computational issue of owl:sameAs proliferation is a major problem, even if noone is going to load all the semantic web data into a single store. For today's triple stores that do limited inference, owl:sameAs "has a significant run time" according to the developers of OpenLink's Virtuoso triplestore. It can easily double query times.
Chris Bizer's remark that there is no need to worry because noone is going to load all the data misses two important facts. First, companies that build and delivering software products using public data will have to bring the data they are using in house to control it. Second, you don't have to load all the data before computational issues arise. Do you really think that, for example, Powerset relies on the data sitting on the DBpedia servers. Proliferation of URIs on a large scale will cause performance issues and should be avoided where possible.
Soren Auer:
Even with such proliferation, people will be able to build useful applications. Once, certain information sources are established (and for that page rank inspired data rank algorithms could be developed) - people will automatically tend to reuse established identifiers and this will counteract the proliferation.
Tim Berners-Lee
So multiple URIs for the same thing is life, a constant tradeoff, but life is, on balance good.